Simple question for all TB

[Poison Ivy [C*C]]

You know the guy named Elric/Rand al Thor/Ali Baba, also disguised in names such as Keisari (soon Poison Ivy it seems as well) to ruin people's reputation.
No need to present this guy, he's part of your faction.

Now my simple question is do you guys really support this guy? I ask because he said he was backed up in his actions by the entire TB faction.
And please be honest in your answers, 6 months ago you all liked him because "he's a nice guy", "he's dedicated to TB", etc...

We CoM have to put up with him every single time we defend, every time we raid Minax, we have to put up with him removing boxes and candles, we have to put up with the notoing, murder counting. Now he's trying to ruin people's reputation by taking other people's names and rezkilling and such. He is killing horses in towns without being wacked, etc... etc... etc...

Many times I have approached him and tried to talk him out of it. I have proposed him to stop so I ask all CoM to make an amnesty with him and stop all the grief; he won't listen. When he was rezzing over and over again attacking CoM, rezkilling some, and while we attacked him becoz we would defend ourselves, he dropped his Agapite blessed spear becoz he had too many deathrobes. I proposed nicely to give it back for free, he responded "I kiss your ass lamer".

This guy is soon gonna have a very hard time if this doens't stop once and for all. He is really getting on my nerves (I guess that's what he wants), although I always end up calming down.

Now answer the question, do you guys really back him up? I doubt it knowing the majority of TB cores.

Thank you

[BloodHound]

I cannot comment on whether tb supports his action as I do not claim to represent tb, however we too have had problems in the past with members of other factions joining tb and performing those acts you have so acurately described in your post which I agree is annoying and frustrating. Yes your loyal crafters spend hours making a very impressive defense to be ruined by people you can do nothing about I sympathise enrirely in respect of that. Our most recent problem was a guy called Lewt U Soon however we got round this problem by using a faction character that wasnt tb to kill him (just a thought about positive action to prevent the type of grief your talking about). Many things happens in factions that are annoying whether they be right or wrong we must put up with them and find solutions until OSI do.

An example of another type of grief, is your faction using the exploit dying in dungeon trick used only last week in an assult against our base. Thus ressing an army inside our castle and invalidating many hours of hard work and a well placed defense. Whilst it is deeply frustrating we have to deal with that because the system allows it and your faction choose to use it.

Therefore you might say well Elric is ruining your fun but you must also consider your own actions may not have done much to support fair play. Whilst personally I would not use Elric methods I have seen many good faction players resort to similar tactics due to anger about some aspect of the system...whether this is the case in respect of Elric only he can say). Two wrongs do not make a right and of course i will ask Elric to stop and your faction also to stop using such a method (whether anyone wishes to listen to such reason is down to them. My criticism of com is not meant as a critcism of you and I do not know whether you were part of that assult but I hope this does convey my point no side is free of guilt and at the end of the day we are here to play for fun, a great many things ruins this so lets at least try to change those that we acknowledge are a problem. I

[Poison Ivy [C*C]]

To answer your question yes I was part of that raid where we did the dungeon rez trick. It was not my idea, but since I participated it makes no difference. Why we did it? To make the raid easier. Aye, very lame, and many regret that.

Now you're right, all factions have had to deal with the type of grief Elric is doing to us. BUT... I have to say everytime we've had a CoM box-remover, count-giver, putting a character in another faction, the guy was simply outcast from CoM (at least the core members). Simple to do, never heal him, never assist when he's in trouble on uoam, noto him when grey, etc... Simple examples are EL quitting CoM, and Angel having a hard time coming back even after a 4 month break. We did not answer stupid remarks like "he is a nice guy", "he is dedicated", "he offered me a blessed runic", because that exactly fits Angel's picture or even Sly. Nice guys when they want you as friends. And that is exactly what's happening to Elric and TB. 6 months ago I recall TB saying all of that, I recall some core TB asking for the grief to stop against him if he stopped (which he never did).

What Elric is putting us thru is not just random actions, it's a whole vendetta against CoM. What have I done to Elric? I stood up for fellow Commies who had their trapped pouches popped endlessly thru as much as 4 hours. I stood up for Commies being attacked by him rezzing endlessly with his blessed spear, even rezkilling a few. I stood up for myself when he would do the same to me, eventually having to cast a spell to kill him. That is all I DID. I try to keep things cool, I try to talk to him out of it, I try to propose him amnesty, but he NEVER listens. I was trying to be nice to him, now he's on a vendetta against ME, threatening to use my char's name to rezkill people and do the same in Minax base and SL base with MY char name.

Last time we secured in 2002, back in december, we had: 4 CoM red, 10 horses killed, boats stolen (and GM's called on our boat, with him lying about the fact we were blocking access), over 1000 candles taken...

Now again I formulate, do TB cores back this up?

[ActualFantasy]

NO.

AF

[Aidris]

Most TB core are friendly to this idiot and dont actually openly criticise him for it (spend some time and TB and watch if anyone doubts this)...........

Elric is a weird and twisted individual who does this to evry faction with an almost psychotic fervour.......

Until TB actually do something about him he will continue

[mordreth]

this is a difficult matter which causes a dilema....


lots of TBs like Elric but all dislike him greifing.

Elric is essentially a v nice guy but im sure he will agree that he has a terrible temper and a compeling,sustained thirst for retribution.

when someone acts lame to him he retaliates with a prolonged campaign of vengence & grief ,not just directed at the perpertrator but all others who become implicated by attempting to stop him as he seeks revenge .

an escalating cycle that culimnates with elric v entire factions.

im sure all of us have wanted to get " even" with someone at one point or another but i suspect that eventually we forget about them and its end of story.
however i know elric has suffered due to one com player and is unlikely to stop.

So we have the current situation-

firstly no-one wants Elric griefing or removing and several tbs have declared they are out to noto him.

secondly no one can stop Elric from playing within game rules except the victims.

thirdly in 4 weeks you can do what TB and minax are doing and form a guild of Reds to act as a deterent.

of course some of his actions cannot be prevented
but again i will try to reason with him allthough there's no obligation for him to abide.


you could also say that infiltrators have been a common & integral part of Rl conflicts and once you can deal with
it more easily with reds it should be less of an issue.

mord

[Ragnar_Iceblood]

I dont think you in TB knows the scope of Elrics greifing unless you have been on the receiving end of it for months and years.

He have already stated that he would like to kill me irl, and he follows me around like a possesed vodoo doll.

[Muffy_TB]

You grief therefore your a total prick, thats how i see it and have seen it since he started.

Most TB's i'd say prefer to look the other way though, and just ingore the fact he griefs like its his national sport, and act all nice when he comes back to with his TB char. The reasons he gives that "someone did this to me" are total bollox, he was griefing the other factions a long time before he had any reason to, why he started i don't know, but all the grief HE got was because of HIS actions.

The only way to shut him up is to take away his support, i think its the only thing that keeps his griefing going, the thought that people actually support his actions. If they did of course i don't think TB would be a very nice place to be.

[blake]

no i hate rez killing no mater who dose it all factions should try to stamp this out

[Aidris]

blake said:

no i hate rez killing no mater who dose it all factions should try to stamp this out

Easy......dont ress in town!......How simple is that! ;D

And Ragnar is right......Elric is a sort of UO version of Travis Bickle but with less personality!.....he is pretty scary once u see the extent of his obsession with Mx!

[Xar2002]

I dont support this at all mainly to do with the fact that his reasons are purley wonderful lil' guy I'll praise for the rest of my daysed.

he gets annoyed in a game due to some prick and therefore decides to ruin innocent peoples fun gaming.

Tbs that back must also realise that this isnt good as we house a wonderful lil' guy I'll praise for the rest of my days like this and some tb are quite openly able to say they agree with wot he says/does. This is shocking as it makes tb look completly wonderful lil' guy I'll praise for the rest of my daysed

[Alakaster/Donnelley]

for some reason he has something against me.
it started when i was in brit, i killed a mage then a dexxer ran up and attacked me, and i killed him.
from then on he comes around on Rand al Thor and tries to smacktalk, although i dont really know why.
just because i killed him? he says im a nubi dexxer but doesnt respods to requests of a duel.
even when i was in tb (a loooong time ago) he was griefing other factions.
hopefully aos should help deter his actions a bit.

[Tyrion]

mordreth said:

Elric is essentially a v nice guy but im sure he will agree that he has a terrible temper and a compeling,sustained thirst for retribution.

when someone acts lame to him he retaliates with a prolonged campaign of vengence & grief ,not just directed at the perpertrator but all others who become implicated by attempting to stop him as he seeks revenge .

all you need to do to become target to his 'revenge' is either.....
1: Kill a TB
2: Raid TB and not loose
3: Cast a spell at him
4: Loot a TB
5: Not to loose when TB raid you
6: Exist on the Europe Shard
7: Say punkte/showscore after killing a TB
8: Gank a TB
9: Cast Para on a TB
10: Not die to TB ganks

the list is endless tbh

& I'ld like to just backup AF on the fact he doesn't support Elric, I guarantee that's 100% true

[Ecla]

It's his 9.95$/mo.

He plays within the rules of conduct.

Do I support it? I couldnt care less , so yes I guess

[ActualFantasy]

Xar2002 said:

I dont support this at all mainly to do with the fact that his reasons are purley wonderful lil' guy I'll praise for the rest of my daysed.

he gets annoyed in a game due to some prick and therefore decides to ruin innocent peoples fun gaming.

Kinda like how you acted when you tried to kill a horse right ?

You got annoyed because of a guy resskilling, so you retaliate by killing that guys horse thus ruining the fun for that particular player.

It's exactly what Elric does.

AF