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Post by Mordrin on Apr 20, 2006 8:14:31 GMT -5
you cant fucking talk mordrin, hemo daggers? waste dfb much? Not really to do with this thread Muji, and trust me, I have my reasons. Instead of just talk bullshit maybe we can have a real discussion instead. I try to explain myself and Muji can give his opinion and come with some critisism and advice on how he would have done? Why use hemo when u fight with daggers? Well Ive tried out alot of speccs, when I decided to go with this one I didnt have dragon fang blade, I had gutgore and was hoping to get brutality blade, wich I never got. Neither did I have as good gear then and wasnt very impressed by my damage out put however I choose to specc. Now I play alot of WSG, and with alot I mean ALOT! And when I went to WSG I went there together with Kane and Steelfinger, warrior and trinket mage. So no need for me to do alot of damage, instead my job was to either get the horde flag or to slow down the horde flagcarrier. I needed preparation to do that and I found out that speccing hemorrhage gave me a few extra fast combopoints to help me stun the flagcarrier and to let some extra crippling proc. All in all, maybe everyone dont wanna play their rogue the same way? Im sure u do a great job doing dps in raids and solo killing alliance, but why cant u accept Im doing my thing my way and that it works out great for me? On a sidenote I actually try my old ambush specc this week. Havent tried it before with 5 NS parts. Reason is I need to boost my honor gain a bit and best way to do that is insta kill horde in Ogrimmar. And it sure is easier with 31 in assasintation, ambush and backstab right after eachother, and a coldblood eviscerate if needed. Only problem is I sometimes dont get any honor at all. This morning, out of 4 hordies in Ogrimmar, all lvl 60, and noone of them honorless targets (stalked them for more than a minute each before attacking) I only got honor for one! They all died within 3 sec, and my log doesnt show a honorkill or honor gain? Ever happen to u Muji, or anyone else for that matter? Have happened to me once or twice before, but 3/4 within an hour, that is a bit much I think. Could it have to do with lagg issues? Looking forward to reading some serious replies.
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Post by YAY on Apr 20, 2006 10:37:54 GMT -5
killing 60s in greens u are poo poo
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Post by Barney on Apr 20, 2006 12:01:31 GMT -5
killing 60s in greens u are poo poo that not me btw, i am yay king.
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Post by Nightcookie on Apr 20, 2006 13:09:51 GMT -5
It's between you two tbh I've tried Combat, and for months thought it was missing something, so I kept rejigging it, convinced combat had the talents I wanted. Then finally I switched to my own brand of daggers/assasination/ambush and am absolutely in love with it, I finally found my style. Won't talk too much about it, as a couple of points about my template horrify the rest of the guild, but again, they serve a purpose, and sometimes it's being different that makes a difference, you can catch people out by surprising them, or you can add something different to your team. My style is designed for solo grinding/bg's/raids, it's not the best at any, but it's above average at all. I've never tried Hemo to even comment, but it is the latest very fashionable template amongst our guild rogues. Kharan, who is technically the best rogue I have ever seen, uses Maces with Hemo. He is one of the best duellists going, but mainly considers Hemo a grinding template, as he has just grinded Exalted Cenarion rep in a few weeks, for the AQ dagger. So he compromised his duelling ability for extra grinding power. I don't know if I have quoted his opinions correctly, but thats how I understand it. End of the day, whatever makes you happy, and suits your style of play... Always been my opinion, cause I'm certainly not following any rulebook, and I'm very happy with my rogue
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Post by Mordrin on Apr 20, 2006 17:04:19 GMT -5
killing 60s in greens u are poo poo 60% throu field marshal ... 3 weeks to go atleast ... I'd kill my grandma if it gave any honor!
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Post by muji on Apr 20, 2006 17:18:36 GMT -5
youre hemo daggers you dont do any damage hemo=best control build by far. you dont have any. you spam 800 cooldowns and pots every fight/flagrun and still die/fail.
anything else? :/
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Post by Mordrin on Apr 20, 2006 19:04:37 GMT -5
youre hemo daggers you dont do any damage hemo=best control build by far. you dont have any. you spam 800 cooldowns and pots every fight/flagrun and still die/fail. anything else? :/ Well opinions are like arseholes ... everyone got one. As far as I know I could solo Thrall while the entire horde population on the server was going for me and still u say I suck, so who cares? Now go and fetch Bruise and get a DiE team going in WSG!
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Post by tical on Apr 20, 2006 19:06:29 GMT -5
im retired from pvp, no alliance team could beat a full DiE team so im not bothering anymore
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Post by Mordrin on Apr 20, 2006 19:08:34 GMT -5
im retired from pvp, no alliance team could beat a full DiE team so im not bothering anymore Hope I saved thoose screenshoots ... ;D
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Post by tical on Apr 20, 2006 20:18:29 GMT -5
the only real teams we ever lost against were nightwatchers and cruentus. and even so we won more than we lost. they were the only real teams
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Post by muji on Apr 20, 2006 20:27:19 GMT -5
except they arent opinions, theyre facts. youre dmg output is shit, youve got no control over your fights despite using the best control build by far, you use the wrong weapons for your build and either overuse or misuse cooldowns and chug pots like theres no tommorow. thy questions are answered. and ye bring back nw and non exploiting cruentus pls, depressing to see how unskilled the pvp opposition is now.
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Post by muji on Apr 20, 2006 20:31:45 GMT -5
and for nightcookie, hemo isnt a grinding oriented build really, its all about stunlock and control, built for 1v1 pvp. when im combat using claw of the black drake/chromatically tempered sword 18/33 i grind faster than any other build by quite a long way, tho sealfate daggers in my ap suit is pretty decent now.
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Post by Pool on Apr 20, 2006 21:01:10 GMT -5
Gah. Where do u want me to start mordrin. Imo the hemo build is really far from ok when u use it with daggers. first of all. Hemo isnt normalised so your damage output would benefit a lot more from slower weapons(read swords). and as muji wrote, hemo build is about controling your opponent and the majority of your dmg comes from hemo crits. And with daggers its kinda shit. Not gonna say anything about how u play, but well dont ever think ive never seen u not using blind x2, vanish x2 and some other cd skills in a 1v1 and if u think its pure skillz to bust every cd u can in a 1v1... Rogue vs rogue. I think sf build is a lot better than hemo. You dont have to use 5ns and gain 120 energy. 110 is just as good more or less. With some nice gear u can easily kill a rogue with 4.5-4.7k hp if u get the opener and get a 4p kidney shot off before being even being hit. Done it so many times in duels and 1v1's in battle grounds. not even a challenge anymore. Dont have crazy ap either. around 850-860 with seal fate build and blackhands breath or zhm equipt. If you want to a challenge go combat specc, u do so much damage in pve and become amazing in pvp against mail/plate users. Might have to bust a cool down or two(blade flurry and if you wanna play it safe pop adrenaline rush). Kinda bad when u dont have MoD, but its more or less a thing u have to practice. Always get an opener on you, and then turn the fight around. Nightcookie, agree on some things u mention. You should always play as u want and maybe not follow some templates. But the amount of rogues that cant play their class is so high. Atleast i have that feeling with it comes to the majority of alliance rogues on Trollbane. Cant manage their energy, make stupid decsions all the time, and even if they get the opener they are dead as soon their cheapshot fades. Gear helps a lot, but some ppl dont even have a clue. Not sure i came across kharan when i played on bloodscalp, but yes, hemo is a good dueling specc since u generate combo points fast. But using maces.. Is there any decent maces ingame? In short, if use have hemo specc use a decent sword, far better swords and maces ingame, and not that hard to obtain either. essay ftl. wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?1090215
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Post by Pool on Apr 20, 2006 21:03:13 GMT -5
Gah. Where do u want me to start mordrin. Imo the hemo build is really far from ok when u use it with daggers. first of all. Hemo isnt normalised so your damage output would benefit a lot more from slower weapons(read swords). and as muji wrote, hemo build is about controling your opponent and the majority of your dmg comes from hemo crits. And with daggers its kinda shit. Not gonna say anything about how u play, but well dont ever think ive never seen u not using blind x2, vanish x2 and some other cd skills in a 1v1 and if u think its pure skillz to bust every cd u can in a 1v1... Rogue vs rogue. I think sf build is a lot better than hemo. You dont have to use 5ns and gain 120 energy. 110 is just as good more or less. With some nice gear u can easily kill a rogue with 4.5-4.7k hp if u get the opener and get a 4p kidney shot off before being even being hit. Done it so many times in duels and 1v1's in battle grounds. not even a challenge anymore. Dont have crazy ap either. around 850-860 with seal fate build and blackhands breath or zhm equipt. If you want to a challenge go combat specc, u do so much damage in pve and become amazing in pvp against mail/plate users. Might have to bust a cool down or two(blade flurry and if you wanna play it safe pop adrenaline rush). Kinda bad when u dont have MoD, but its more or less a thing u have to practice. Always get an opener on you, and then turn the fight around. Nightcookie, agree on some things u mention. You should always play as u want and maybe not follow some templates. But the amount of rogues that cant play their class is so high. Atleast i have that feeling with it comes to the majority of alliance rogues on Trollbane. Cant manage their energy, make stupid decsions all the time, and even if they get the opener they are dead as soon their cheapshot fades. Gear helps a lot, but some ppl dont even have a clue. Not sure i came across kharan when i played on bloodscalp, but yes, hemo is a good dueling specc since u generate combo points fast. But using maces.. Is there any decent maces ingame? In short, if use have hemo specc use a decent sword, far better swords than maces ingame, and not that hard to obtain either. essay ftl. wow.allakhazam.com/profile.html?1090215
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Post by Pool on Apr 20, 2006 21:03:36 GMT -5
gg double post......
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